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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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hey guys ryan sprague here from

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somewhere in the skies and welcome to

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special live stream we are doing tonight

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at somewhere in the skies we are live on

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makes it very hard to do that but we're

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there if you're not already um yeah

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we're gonna be talking to a gentleman

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today um this story broke basically

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yesterday on the 12th and um we do have

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of uh the liberation times to thank for

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bringing this story forward and

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introducing us all to our guest today um

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his name is adrian reister uh he is

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former usaf and um

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chris broke this story and it's about

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adrian's experiences that he had as a

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base between the years of 2003 and 2007.

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i know on somewhere in the skies we've

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talked a lot about uh ufos over over

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nuclear installations and

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um power plants and stuff like that so

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this is going to be pretty interesting

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to hear new stories about these things

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happening in very dramatic fashion

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nuclear ordinance was being transported

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so um before we get to that the super

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you do want to help someone in the skies

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tonight and get your questions answered

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by adrian we will try our hardest to get

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to those i already have a bunch of

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listener questions already stacked up

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here so without further ado i'm gonna

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bring him in and um we're gonna get to

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know adrian a little bit before we get

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into his experiences so adrian thank you

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for joining me today on somewhere in the

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how's it going man

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good good i'm so happy you were able to

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do this i know as soon as this story

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broke i am sure that you got contacted

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by a lot of the ufo community

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yeah

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and i was one of those people who uh

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immediately you know stalked you down

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and um you were so gracious with

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accepting this invitation so thank you

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for being here not a problem man it's

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it's my pleasure

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cool well i mean for those who may not

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know um you know me included really uh

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who you are where you come from and all

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that could you sort of paint a picture

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for us of um how you got um interested

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be a nuclear technician yeah however you

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want to paint that picture for us

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sure cool well um so i went to basic or

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easily and that was not the issue it was

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just doing my homework right

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regular bombs but you know what we're

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ones over here makes sense that's

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logical totally man

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there's a lot of secret stuff in it oh

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i'm sure yeah i know probably the stuff

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our audience really wants to know but um

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what is what is like a typical day what

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duties changed and whatnot but like are

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haven't gotten your training yet or

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just they need extra bodies you're going

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the ins and outs of every nuclear

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trained monkeys if monkeys could read

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they how they function okay yes cool

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the pressure and the stress that you

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but like i can't imagine like having

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some of the stuff we're gonna talk about

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tonight as well over their installations

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like either either we got to push it or

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uh sightings over installation man

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it's actually fairly boring on a typical

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so this is fairly boring okay

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okay there's a lot of down time well not

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well i'll go into about that later as

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chemicals and gloves and you know

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positions and everything you're saying

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man is checking out i do want to let

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everyone in the chat know we have vetted

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adrian he's legit he is who he says he

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is because that is the first question on

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a lot of people's minds when military

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people come forward um so no i

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appreciate you doing that dd214 right

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here

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be my guest but i trust you um i i

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worked with christopher sharp to um to

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do that as well so no um we appreciate

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that so i guess before we get to what i

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know everyone wants to hear about the

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incident um we'll get there guys we'll

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get there um how did you get hooked up

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with chris like how did this all come

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about where you finally

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came forward and talked about this stuff

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did someone reach out to you or there

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had to be a time where you told somebody

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and it kind of

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trickled out like how did that all

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happen if i might ask so probably around

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the beginning of the year i started

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listening to uh that ufo podcast

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awesome with with andy you know

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and uh so

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you know as as i was listening

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throughout the year i finally was like

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you know what they're starting to talk

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about like shadow people so maybe i can

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what i essentially what i did was like i

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i commented on somebody else's topic on

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in twitter

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and i was like hey i'm i'm a nuclear

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weapons tech and hey i've seen stuff too

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and that's pretty much when chris found

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me and he was like hey come talk to me

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yeah

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dude if i had seen that

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i would have been all over it but no i'm

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happy i i um i saw chris's article like

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literally i think within

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maybe a minute or so of him posting it i

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already was trying to track you down

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okay that's pretty cool um well let's

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get into it if you don't mind um and i'm

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gonna get to some of the chat here after

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we hear about your your experiences um

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sure but yes andy's going to be in there

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already absolutely and i've got a bunch

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here for you too andy's going to his ego

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is going to go up

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after he hears

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you're the reason

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that you came forward but um yes

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mcgrillen is the best i agree

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christopher plane for sure um

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so let's get into it 2003 to 2006 is

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when you were stationed right at

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whiteman is that correct yes okay well

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so i i originally got into the air force

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in 2003 and it wasn't until like 2000

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probably like

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i want to say

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the beginning of 2004 like january

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because it just it had taken me about a

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year to get through training you know

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right

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and that's

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i was in the air force from 2003 to 2007

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but i wasn't at white man until 2004.

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for a nuclear technician i would hope

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you'd get a a good enough time in

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training yeah

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that makes perfect sense to me um well

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okay so could you paint us a picture

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maybe of the first

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um experience you had what were you

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doing that night was it night um what

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were your duties and then yeah what

364
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happened if you don't mind um

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are you okay if i go full screen too

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adrian no

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okay awesome all right

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have at it thank you

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so i'm not i can't really i don't really

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want to go into detail on

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what time the movement was because i'm

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sure they still use that kind of time

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period right but i will just say it was

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dark enough for me to see that there

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were stars and stuff in the sky okay

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um

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and essentially was what i was doing is

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um we were

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probably

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right in the middle of a maintenance

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cycle you know

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and uh they needed gun guard

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and as you are transporting a weapon or

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you have a structure that has weapons in

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it you gotta have a gun guard posted for

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you know security

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as well as a gun card posted wherever

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the weapon is going to be going to right

389
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and uh on top of this there's 24 7

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security by security forces so there's

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it's it's just kind of redundant thing

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uh final denial act

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um

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and so as this transport team has

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radioed to me that they're they've

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they're now transporting the weapon i

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see

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that there's kind of like a uh

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an orb

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for lack of better definition or you

401
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know

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it was just kind of bobbing there above

403
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the the tree line i thought yeah okay

404
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you know maybe that's a star you know

405
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i've i've seen stars they kind of do

406
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that sometimes you know

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and you know the weapon is still being

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transported down and i'm still kind of

409
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looking around surveilling this my job

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you know

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um

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and as the weapon kind of or the

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transport team kind of pulls up with the

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weapon i this uh

415
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orb kind of shoots up

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real quick above the tree line

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and it kind of bobs there for a little

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bit and you know the transport team is

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moving forward and backing the weapon

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into the facility

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uh and then

422
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once they had secured the weapon inside

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the building this orb just kind of

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how um about how big would you say i

425
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like i mean in terms of like distance

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and how high up was it i know it's

427
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probably hard to gauge but um

428
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any further detail on that

429
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if

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for my

431
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guesstimation like

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right off side of base there's a bunch

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of like pig farms and uh

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just different kind of farms and fields

435
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and that kind of stuff and if

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if i had to guess i would say it was

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right above those

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kind of maybe

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maybe a mile or two away you know kind

440
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of this way and then up i i couldn't

441
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tell you how far up it was um

442
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and if a size

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i

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um

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it was just but this uh this 90 degree

446
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sort of

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you know acceleration i guess or

448
00:17:04,069 --> 00:17:00,720
movement um that had to have stuck out

449
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to you is something oh yeah

450
00:17:09,669 --> 00:17:07,120
yeah and it was kind of like okay well

451
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that was weird but

452
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it didn't seem threatening at the time

453
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and my my job at that time is just to

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determine what what's a threat

455
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you know i'm i'm i'm literally there

456
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with a gun to make sure that nothing is

457
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coming in to grab our weapons and if

458
00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:24,640
it's gone or something has disappeared

459
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yeah it's cool i just i think i just saw

460
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ufo but

461
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whatever you know i got [\h__\h] to do

462
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inside now

463
00:17:35,909 --> 00:17:33,840
that makes sense man i mean a lot of

464
00:17:38,310 --> 00:17:35,919
people even in the civilian world when

465
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they see a ufo like everyone's like why

466
00:17:42,630 --> 00:17:40,720
didn't you like

467
00:17:44,789 --> 00:17:42,640
why wasn't your camera out or why didn't

468
00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:44,799
you like phone the police anything why

469
00:17:48,630 --> 00:17:46,799
didn't you do anything because a lot of

470
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people aren't prepared for those

471
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situations and you also had a task at

472
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hand i guess on top of that um

473
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camera phones were kind of

474
00:18:01,430 --> 00:17:59,280
barely coming out back then right

475
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oh 304 yeah

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and and if you did have a camera on your

477
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phone you were pretty much obligated to

478
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either break it

479
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or cover it up paint it over you're not

480
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allowed to have cameras inside a top

481
00:18:18,630 --> 00:18:16,480
weapon storage area that makes sense

482
00:18:19,990 --> 00:18:18,640
yeah which you know that's interesting

483
00:18:22,310 --> 00:18:20,000
to me because you know we hear about

484
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these like these snoopy teams in the

485
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navy that are on like the submarines and

486
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whatnot and it's like their job to

487
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record things and all these videos that

488
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were leaked were like from cell phones

489
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they weren't like the official cameras

490
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so i that always makes me wonder like

491
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are they gonna get in trouble for stuff

492
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like that like that's not saying

493
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everybody didn't break their phone or

494
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paint over their camera but that was

495
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what was required you know by mandate

496
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so um what

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if i can ask i i know you said um you

498
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don't want to say what night and time

499
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but uh

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what could you tell us maybe what year

501
00:19:03,750 --> 00:19:01,280
that was adrian if you do recall i

502
00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:03,760
believe that was actually in 2005

503
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five okay now was that the initial

504
00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:08,160
experience you had yes that was the

505
00:19:12,789 --> 00:19:10,640
first one that i've i came across yeah

506
00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:12,799
right and then you had one more ufo

507
00:19:17,029 --> 00:19:15,600
sighting if i'm correct okay yes um

508
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:17,039
would you want to share that one next or

509
00:19:23,350 --> 00:19:19,919
it's totally up to you man sure um okay

510
00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:23,360
in in that specific instance um this is

511
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the the third instance um we'll talk

512
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about the middle one here in a minute

513
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i'm sure

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um

515
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so the third one it wasn't really

516
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anything like that it was essentially

517
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an orb kind of just hanging out over i

518
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wouldn't even say over the flight line

519
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it was just kind of

520
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a little bit over the base and then it

521
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just kind of

522
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faded and it was gone

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you know

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um

525
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and that was essentially when i was

526
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again holding gun uh we had an exclusion

527
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area for contractors to come in and that

528
00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:56,480
way they didn't have to have

529
00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:58,320
uh classified clearances in order to

530
00:20:01,510 --> 00:20:00,559
work in the the storage area

531
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and

532
00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:04,400
we essentially created like a

533
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what they called the free zone

534
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and you know my job is to watch them and

535
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:11,360
everything else going around and that's

536
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:13,440
just something i saw kind of an

537
00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:15,360
orb kind of blinking blinking and then

538
00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:17,360
it was just gone

539
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and for all i know

540
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i i wouldn't even particularly say that

541
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was a uap

542
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:26,240
it feels maybe even a little different

543
00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:29,520
it was very similar to in in color and

544
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:31,120
size and

545
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:33,440
you know pretty much everything exact

546
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:36,000
but i i couldn't tell you if that was a

547
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:38,480
uap or not man i

548
00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:41,440
know that yeah no i mean and again like

549
00:20:46,789 --> 00:20:44,159
even as a quote unquote ufo

550
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,799
investigator or a trained observer like

551
00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:48,480
yourself looking for threats

552
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:51,200
i mean your job is to explain what it is

553
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:52,720
not to say that's a

554
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:55,120
spaceship from zeta reticuli so right

555
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:57,440
like no i totally get it i totally get

556
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:58,640
it um

557
00:21:01,430 --> 00:20:59,520
so

558
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:01,440
before we get to i know the experience a

559
00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:04,080
lot of people are talking about on ufo

560
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:12,310
no you these were not reported um was

561
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:14,559
there anyone else around you who

562
00:21:17,909 --> 00:21:16,080
happened to see these things or did

563
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:17,919
anyone talk about it or were these

564
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:20,799
singular experiences for you

565
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:21,840
they were pretty much singular

566
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:24,000
experiences for me man like

567
00:21:29,029 --> 00:21:26,480
the transport team was busy

568
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:29,039
stowing the weapon um

569
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:31,600
i'm the only one out there with a gun

570
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:35,600
holding a gun outside the facility now i

571
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:38,400
i can't say for sure and nobody else saw

572
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:39,919
it but

573
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:41,520
i was the only one

574
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:44,159
that was around me that that was able to

575
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:45,280
see it

576
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:48,159
okay gotcha yeah again like you guys are

577
00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:49,760
you're a little busy doing other stuff i

578
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:51,360
get it i get right um

579
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:55,039
okay so let's just let's dive in this is

580
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:56,960
the experience i think that caught a lot

581
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:58,480
of people's attention

582
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:00,400
you know we've heard of ufos over the

583
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:03,200
bases um but

584
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:05,520
shadow figures not something us in the

585
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,960
ufo world deal with um on a daily basis

586
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:10,880
not things we really deal with in this

587
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:12,720
field at all it's usually

588
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:14,640
pushed to the corners of the paranormal

589
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:16,799
right uh the supernatural what have you

590
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:17,520
but

591
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,559
uh this happened to you at least you you

592
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:22,240
believe it happened to you so i would

593
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:25,280
love um if you don't mind man um

594
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:27,200
as long as short as you want going into

595
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:29,039
detail i know there's stuff you probably

596
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:30,960
can't share exactly where you were and

597
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:33,679
whatnot but um yeah tell us this story

598
00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:35,280
if you don't mind

599
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:36,400
um

600
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:38,240
so i wanna i wanna preface this by

601
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:39,600
saying

602
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:42,240
i had originally said anything about

603
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:44,320
this particular instance because

604
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,600
in my experience or my um

605
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:49,360
in my

606
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:51,120
any information that i've gotten you

607
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:52,720
know i've i've watched ghost hunters for

608
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:54,640
years you know

609
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:56,559
to me shadow people were mostly

610
00:23:02,390 --> 00:22:59,600
associated with like ghosts right right

611
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:02,400
the paranormal stuff like that and

612
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:05,360
when i started seeing that um

613
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:06,799
the shadow people were more being

614
00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:09,440
reported towards uap especially that

615
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:10,880
nellis incident

616
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:13,360
that really kind of like oh man you know

617
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:15,600
if they were seeing something like that

618
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:16,559
then

619
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:17,600
maybe

620
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:19,280
what i saw here

621
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:22,400
could have been the same thing right

622
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:23,200
and

623
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:23,919
in

624
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:31,679
all the absorbances that i've seen from

625
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:32,640
this

626
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:35,120
everybody else's experiences with shadow

627
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:37,360
people on the ghost side as well

628
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:40,240
it feels kind of like it's one the same

629
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:41,360
thing

630
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,960
just about

631
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:45,120
it feels like one in the same thing

632
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:47,279
um i could be wrong you know i'm not i'm

633
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:51,200
not an expert no none of us are

634
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:53,440
but uh so yeah that's that's all i

635
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:56,799
wanted to say by prefacing that um cool

636
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:57,760
so

637
00:24:02,390 --> 00:24:01,600
this instance was i think in 2006

638
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:02,400
um

639
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:05,760
it was in probably the fall

640
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,240
no it was the spring

641
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:10,080
it was the spring because that's when we

642
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,000
usually get new recruits

643
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:14,320
um

644
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:17,520
uh we were out of a maintenance cycle so

645
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:20,000
there wasn't any maintenance being done

646
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:21,039
and

647
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:22,960
typically whenever we're not doing any

648
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:23,919
maintenance

649
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:25,440
we're training crews

650
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:27,120
the more people we got

651
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:28,880
the easier it is for everybody else

652
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:30,080
right

653
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:32,960
um so we have a training crew in the

654
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:34,400
back um

655
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:35,440
and as

656
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:38,320
a training crew has a training bomb open

657
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:39,679
it's still considered technically

658
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:41,919
classified and in doing so we have to

659
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,960
lock up

660
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,640
the building you know we pin it from the

661
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,799
inside we have pins on the top and the

662
00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:48,480
bottom of the doors

663
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,039
and then um if

664
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:53,760
the building hasn't been um

665
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:55,279
opened or that door hasn't been opened

666
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,880
in you know a day or two it probably

667
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:59,039
still has this tamper-proof seal

668
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:00,960
and oh okay that's

669
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,279
that's a big thing in a lot of places is

670
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:05,679
those tamper proof seals is

671
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:06,960
there's no

672
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:08,720
getting past that man you know they

673
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:12,240
can't you can't fake that right right um

674
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:13,039
so

675
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:14,960
you know the the training crews in the

676
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:18,320
back um i'm in the weapons support area

677
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:20,320
because i had i had just transitioned

678
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:22,799
from uh doing

679
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,600
the the nuclear operations side to doing

680
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:27,600
weapon support side i was essentially

681
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:30,720
issuing toolboxes uh chemicals

682
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:32,720
uh helping issue any anything they

683
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:35,120
needed for their training you know

684
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:36,240
and

685
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:38,559
as they were locked away i was you know

686
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:40,400
on the computer doing my own thing you

687
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:42,640
know we had i think an armory or

688
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:44,159
something that that we were looking at

689
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,600
buying at the time

690
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,279
um and as i'm sitting there on the

691
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:49,200
computer just kind of clicking i think

692
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:51,120
what i hear is like

693
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:52,080
uh

694
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:53,840
like water dropping

695
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:55,200
or

696
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:58,320
maybe footsteps barefoot steps

697
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,120
and

698
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:01,440
which is a possibility we have you know

699
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:04,080
an eye wash station and we have those uh

700
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:06,000
the emergency showers

701
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:08,240
and you know so i i turn around i look

702
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:09,679
up and i'm trying to see you know is

703
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:12,480
this is there anything there is i i

704
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:14,400
think i hear somebody walking or

705
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:17,440
footsteps or is it water or because if

706
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:19,120
it's water i gotta i gotta clean that

707
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:21,279
you know

708
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:22,240
um

709
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:24,080
and so i did i didn't see anything and

710
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:26,080
i'm looking at the the shower and it

711
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:27,679
wasn't leaking so

712
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:29,840
all right well i'm just [\h__\h] hearing

713
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:31,039
things you know

714
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:32,720
and i go back to doing whatever i was

715
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:33,919
doing

716
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,240
and uh you know maybe

717
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:38,480
a minute or two passes and i start

718
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:40,320
hearing those sounds again you know this

719
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:42,400
time a little bit louder kind of

720
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:44,080
barefoot on

721
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:46,000
painted cement sound if you know what

722
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:47,520
that sounds like

723
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:48,320
uh

724
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:50,240
kind of like at a swimming pool you know

725
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:51,279
okay

726
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:52,799
kind of like that

727
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:53,760
um

728
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:56,799
that wet barefoot sound on on on

729
00:27:02,310 --> 00:26:59,039
concrete yeah yeah yeah and

730
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,320
this time it's it's pretty distinct and

731
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,799
i just whirl around and i stand up and i

732
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:06,480
look past the service counter and all i

733
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:07,760
can see is

734
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:09,760
or all i can

735
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:11,200
say is um

736
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:15,430
blob

737
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:20,880
the shape of a person in

738
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:22,480
i was trying to describe it to my wife

739
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:24,080
and she's like so like

740
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,600
kind of like

741
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:27,360
a gingerbread man

742
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:29,200
but like

743
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:30,960
fuzzy right

744
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:34,159
and that's kind of

745
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:35,679
essentially what it was

746
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:36,559
yeah

747
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:38,320
kind of it was a little bit narrower

748
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:40,480
than your classic gingerbread man you

749
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:41,679
know kind of

750
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:44,320
a shape of a real person you know

751
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:47,120
um about they were asking me

752
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:48,880
last night i was on a podcast about how

753
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:49,919
tall

754
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:53,120
and you know i'm i'm five foot four man

755
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:53,919
so

756
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,320
i know your pain and everybody is taller

757
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,559
than me

758
00:28:02,230 --> 00:28:00,240
so you know i

759
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:02,240
guesstimating this thing to be about six

760
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:03,440
foot tall

761
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:05,120
um it was

762
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:06,960
again i want to say very

763
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:08,000
blurry

764
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:08,960
um

765
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:10,880
and very opaque

766
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:13,360
like towards the center very opaque and

767
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,399
again

768
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:16,559
another way for me to

769
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:17,600
uh

770
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:20,159
describe the color is if you've known or

771
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:23,039
if you've seen that uh

772
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:24,880
that dye that

773
00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:26,799
pretty much absorbs all light have you

774
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:29,919
seen that oh they just came out

775
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,159
midnight black like kind of like it

776
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:34,799
doesn't reflect any okay kind of absorbs

777
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:37,440
light yeah yes okay yes

778
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,279
essentially like

779
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:41,279
what it looked like it or the color of

780
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:42,240
it right

781
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,919
and as i get up and i i'm starting to

782
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:48,000
make my my motions towards chasing this

783
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:50,399
thing down and it just zips down the

784
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:52,880
the the wall and turns the corner into

785
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:55,600
the admin section and i'm just [\h__\h]

786
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:56,960
booking it you know

787
00:29:01,990 --> 00:28:59,200
and as i turn the corner i don't i don't

788
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:02,000
see anything i don't hear anything

789
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:04,559
you know and it's now my obligation to

790
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:06,559
go around and look for this thing you

791
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:09,760
know and as i'm going through i don't

792
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:13,279
i don't see anything like underneath

793
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:16,159
chairs or tables and we only have a

794
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:18,880
snack bar in that section some offices

795
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:21,120
um you know a

796
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:23,200
conference room there's not really a lot

797
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:24,880
of places for this thing to hide in you

798
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:27,360
know and in order for it to have left

799
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:29,120
the actual building

800
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:30,960
was the only way was through the front

801
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:34,080
door and as as i've described it before

802
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:34,960
um

803
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,039
it's an airlock system style

804
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,120
door you know you you essentially go

805
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:41,360
through one set of doors right you go

806
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:43,279
into like an anti-chamber

807
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:45,039
and then from the anti-chamber somebody

808
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:47,760
lets you actually into the building

809
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,440
and then you go through the secondary

810
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:51,120
set of doors

811
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:54,559
uh not an air lock as in removing air

812
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:56,320
just kind of that

813
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:58,720
barrier system you know

814
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:00,799
and in order for hit anything to have

815
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:02,640
left the building it needed to leave

816
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:03,919
that which is

817
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,440
pretty noisy you're going to know

818
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:07,679
whenever somebody's leaving the building

819
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:09,279
you know you can almost hear it in the

820
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:10,559
back of the bay

821
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:13,120
you know yeah

822
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:16,080
why are you armed at this time adrian no

823
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:17,200
no

824
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:19,120
all right i was just curious

825
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:21,120
yeah you don't arm unless there's an

826
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:24,320
actual asset in the building or there's

827
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:26,159
an asset in

828
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:27,600
transport

829
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:29,440
gotcha okay

830
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:30,640
so

831
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:33,279
how did this end for you i mean i i

832
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:34,480
can't even imagine what was going

833
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:37,039
through your head first of all but like

834
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:38,559
did you

835
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:42,159
i i know again the stigma of reporting

836
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:44,799
paranormal or ufo sort of things in the

837
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:48,240
military is one thing but like

838
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:51,279
what were you thinking did you

839
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:53,679
did you think this was like an intruder

840
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:56,720
or that the world was ending or you were

841
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:59,200
getting haunted like i i guess yeah what

842
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:00,480
was going through your head at that i

843
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:03,039
didn't know what the hell i had seen man

844
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:05,360
like as far as i knew it was it was a

845
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:09,039
ghost you know like okay and and even if

846
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:10,080
i had

847
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,120
thought it was some kind of incursion or

848
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:15,360
infiltration of some sort

849
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:17,760
i don't have any physical evidence on me

850
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:19,279
that there was somebody here you know

851
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,880
there's no sensors being tripped there's

852
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,640
no video evidence there's there's

853
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:24,000
nothing there's essentially me saying

854
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:25,840
hey i think i saw something running down

855
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,000
the hallway you know

856
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,399
they're going like oh yeah

857
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:33,200
sure you did uh-huh um

858
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:35,919
uh we're gonna call the mental facility

859
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:37,360
people

860
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:39,279
because when when you have top secret

861
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:41,039
clearance man and you have prp at the

862
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:42,080
same time

863
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:43,840
it's a very stigmatized thing that you

864
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:44,799
cannot

865
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:46,480
lose your top secret clearance or your

866
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:47,679
prp because you're going to lose your

867
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:49,279
job right they're going to find a way to

868
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:50,480
for you to get out

869
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:51,840
right they will find a way for you to

870
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:53,279
leave the military

871
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:54,320
and

872
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:56,559
i've i've seen people raise questions of

873
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,240
oh well prp is really not a reason to

874
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:02,880
remain silent well sure

875
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:04,480
it's not

876
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:06,960
but i i really don't like being called

877
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:09,840
crazy either you know i don't well

878
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:11,919
yeah man and i mean in your defense as

879
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:14,240
well like how many pilots haven't

880
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:17,919
reported things how many um you know

881
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:19,600
people on the ground who've had

882
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:20,799
successes

883
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,519
yeah

884
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:23,279
on top of that i'm

885
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:24,240
20

886
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:26,000
years old at the time

887
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:28,880
i'm just a kid man you know maybe 19 you

888
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:32,000
know i i i don't i don't actually really

889
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:33,440
really remember what age i was at the

890
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:35,600
time but man it was

891
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:38,399
i was young you know young

892
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:39,600
and

893
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:43,279
yeah exactly as as i see mr crowley down

894
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:45,039
there just say they

895
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:47,679
they find a way for you to leave

896
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:49,840
they'll start they'll start a paperwork

897
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:50,720
trail

898
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:53,039
well that and i'm sure there are psych

899
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:55,200
evils after you report something like

900
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:57,200
this we hear pilots are grounded and

901
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:00,799
never fly again i get it man and luckily

902
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,360
hopefully things are changing in certain

903
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:05,120
branches of the military i do want to

904
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:07,120
get your thoughts on that a little later

905
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:10,880
on the air force versus others but um so

906
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:11,840
you know

907
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:14,480
you didn't find any presence of this

908
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:17,039
this shadow figure and then

909
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:19,039
that's it was that your last experience

910
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:21,039
you had while at whiteman that was my

911
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:22,559
last experience at whiteman well

912
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:24,320
technically it was my second experience

913
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:27,200
my last brain was was that orb that just

914
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:28,960
blinked and disappeared

915
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:30,399
and that

916
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:32,960
that was my last experience i mean

917
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:35,279
shortly there after i i

918
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:36,960
separated anyway so

919
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:39,840
okay okay um

920
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:42,080
before we um get to some of the bigger

921
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:43,279
questions

922
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:44,960
do you think any of these events were

923
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:47,519
connected in any way like is there some

924
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,720
sort of

925
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:50,880
string theory between what you saw in

926
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:52,880
the sky in the shadow i know that's a

927
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,000
total

928
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,399
theorizing question but yeah what do you

929
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:58,399
think

930
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:00,159
man i couldn't i couldn't say that they

931
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:02,720
were corroborated with each other

932
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:05,840
um they were just

933
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:08,079
if i had seen one within a week of each

934
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:09,760
other or of

935
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:11,919
of each other of the shadow person and

936
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:14,159
an orb or whatever but

937
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:16,480
these were very separate instances over

938
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:19,839
a spread amount of time and right i

939
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:21,200
probably should have but i didn't

940
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,280
actually go outside to see if there was

941
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:25,440
an orb in the sky the night that i saw

942
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:27,440
a shadow person and again i didn't even

943
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:28,720
know that it was

944
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:31,599
uap related you know or ufo at that time

945
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:33,440
related

946
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,119
and so

947
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:37,200
had you um had you had any interest in

948
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,639
ufos or

949
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:40,240
paranormal or anything before you went

950
00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:42,320
in yeah oh yeah i mean i've always been

951
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:43,599
interested in my whole life my

952
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:46,240
grandfather was kind of instilled that

953
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:48,399
in me he was always he was the one that

954
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:50,399
originally was interested in this

955
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:51,520
and you know

956
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:52,399
um

957
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:53,760
when i was a kid my parents actually

958
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:54,960
took me to

959
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,800
we're driving through and we saw the

960
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:58,800
martha lights and that was pretty

961
00:35:01,829 --> 00:34:59,920
interesting

962
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:01,839
yeah that was i highly recommend that to

963
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:04,400
anybody go go look at the marfa lights

964
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:07,359
that's in uh texas right yes is that is

965
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:08,880
that where you're originally from if you

966
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:10,000
don't know

967
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,040
um i am well yeah i'm from texas i'm i'm

968
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:15,599
from el paso texas yeah okay

969
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:18,800
cool cool um yeah martha lights that's

970
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:20,640
that's a phenomenon that deserves a lot

971
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:23,599
more attention man um well okay i mean

972
00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:25,040
there's so many different avenues we

973
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:26,800
could take i mean the first is the fact

974
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:28,000
that like

975
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:29,520
if this

976
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:31,440
was some sort of

977
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:34,320
intelligence or sentient thing that was

978
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:35,359
in there

979
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,560
with you

980
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:38,800
that is disturbing i mean the

981
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:40,800
implication to something like that it's

982
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:41,760
just

983
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,000
and then you think so many other people

984
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:46,320
in your position have had similar

985
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:49,440
experiences on bases or in other areas

986
00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:51,040
as well um

987
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,720
what do you think about the whole

988
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:54,720
potential threat of something like that

989
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:56,720
again i know you didn't report it and

990
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:58,800
that's like gonna piss off so many

991
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:00,800
people but again

992
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:03,200
we understand why you wouldn't do that

993
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,599
but like the potential threat of

994
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:07,920
something like that just uh uh gives me

995
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,480
chills just knowing you know and i have

996
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:12,240
to agree with them you know i i probably

997
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:14,079
should have reported it but

998
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:15,280
there wasn't

999
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:22,800
this for or you know there was no

1000
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:24,000
did you see

1001
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:28,880
that but then report it here you know if

1002
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,400
you've seen shadow people report it to

1003
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,560
this guy you know that's

1004
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:34,640
that was never a thing man you know

1005
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:34,970
um

1006
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:36,320
[Music]

1007
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:38,000
yeah

1008
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:41,200
that's such a good point um well

1009
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:43,599
okay so i guess where i want to take it

1010
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:46,400
next man if you don't mind um

1011
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:47,599
nuclear

1012
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:50,960
bases and ufos in general i mean

1013
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:52,160
hundreds

1014
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,320
of these incidents have been reported

1015
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:56,880
probably hundreds have not been so we

1016
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,359
don't know the true number but do you

1017
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:01,440
personally think there is

1018
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:04,000
a connection between

1019
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:06,960
uap whatever that phenomena represents

1020
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:09,520
and in interest in our nuclear assets

1021
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:10,560
here on the planet what are your

1022
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:12,480
personal thoughts on that

1023
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:13,440
okay

1024
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:15,920
um so going back to your question before

1025
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:18,160
about the threat uh yes sorry i'm

1026
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:19,200
getting ahead of you you're good i'm

1027
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:22,880
gonna kind of wrap this all up into one

1028
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:25,599
the orbs themselves did not

1029
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:27,280
seem like threats to me because

1030
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:29,040
otherwise i would have

1031
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:30,480
that's even

1032
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:32,000
more of a thing that i think i would

1033
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:34,000
have reported the orbs

1034
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,720
you know but again they were not

1035
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:38,160
they're just lights in the sky at that

1036
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:39,920
point you know they're not things on the

1037
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:42,320
ground with a weapon pointed at me so i

1038
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:43,760
they're not a threat

1039
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:45,920
and then so

1040
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:48,000
on top of that the shadow person i

1041
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:49,200
didn't even know

1042
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:52,400
what it was so how can i tell if that's

1043
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:54,560
a threat or not if it's a ghost how is

1044
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:56,560
that a threat

1045
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:57,920
you know

1046
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:59,920
if it's a ghost how is that a threat if

1047
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:00,800
it's

1048
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:04,400
we're not in the rainbow guys yeah right

1049
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:05,599
totally

1050
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:08,160
and i didn't know that this was

1051
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:10,960
like i i i want to just

1052
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:12,880
hammer on that man i did not know that

1053
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:15,680
this was associated with uap

1054
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:17,280
phenomenon i

1055
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,920
for all i knew was a ghost you know i i

1056
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:21,680
had thought that white one was

1057
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:23,359
built on top of an indian burial ground

1058
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:24,570
for all i knew you know

1059
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:26,400
[Laughter]

1060
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:28,720
who knows i know that you know well

1061
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:30,160
that's a that's a

1062
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,040
a good point actually i mean we we

1063
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:36,000
always think of military bases and ufos

1064
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,119
but like

1065
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,599
imagine the history of things that have

1066
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:40,800
happened

1067
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:41,680
during

1068
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:43,920
the you know these bases being in

1069
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:46,000
service and not in service and what was

1070
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:47,920
there before it of course is going to be

1071
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:50,800
paranormal activity as well so

1072
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:52,720
yeah dude i mean the possibilities are

1073
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:54,720
endless but yeah sorry i don't want to

1074
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:56,079
interrupt your thought there you're good

1075
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:57,119
man

1076
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,960
and then so

1077
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:00,960
to shift it over to

1078
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:03,760
the association with uaps and nuclear

1079
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:06,640
bases right yeah somebody did mention

1080
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:08,880
that there's a lot of sightings that are

1081
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:11,280
outside of nuclear bases there's like 95

1082
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:12,880
percent of sightings outside of nuclear

1083
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:14,960
bases and

1084
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:16,720
those are a lot of those are probably

1085
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:18,800
very credible witnesses as well

1086
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:23,829
the reason i think that nuclear bases

1087
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:25,520
are being looked at more

1088
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:28,000
hard is because they're nuclear bases

1089
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:29,040
you know

1090
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:31,119
once we have these uap associated with

1091
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:32,720
them and they're they seem kind of

1092
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:34,240
interested in them

1093
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:37,119
they might be interested in

1094
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:40,000
maybe stopping us from doing something

1095
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:41,599
maybe they're

1096
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,400
because

1097
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:44,640
if you if you look back at history

1098
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:46,240
the last two nuclear weapons that were

1099
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:49,359
used were in world war ii right

1100
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:53,040
and we haven't used them since then and

1101
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:54,240
once we

1102
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:56,320
entered into the treaty with russia we

1103
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:58,000
stopped testing them

1104
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:00,400
and we haven't used nuclear weapons even

1105
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:02,960
tested a nuclear weapon in

1106
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,280
50 odd years you know

1107
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:07,440
and so they might

1108
00:40:11,610 --> 00:40:10,960
try to be preventing that you know

1109
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:11,620
they could be

1110
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:13,280
[Music]

1111
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:15,040
trying to gain information about them

1112
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:17,200
maybe they don't actually use nuclear

1113
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:19,599
energy maybe they use something else

1114
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:20,400
right

1115
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:21,599
um

1116
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:23,599
maybe

1117
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:26,640
they have their own treaties

1118
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:29,200
that are preventing them from letting

1119
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:32,480
us use more nuclear weapons right

1120
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:35,119
for all we know

1121
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:38,560
uaps could be a myriad of other things

1122
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:42,950
try not to

1123
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:45,119
take me for my word or not not my word

1124
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:45,839
but

1125
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,640
like

1126
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:48,319
don't read too far into this but let's

1127
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:50,960
say they're aliens right

1128
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:52,880
if they're aliens who's to say it's one

1129
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,960
species of aliens right

1130
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,720
it could be multiple species of aliens

1131
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:58,640
that have had maybe a treaty with each

1132
00:41:02,069 --> 00:40:59,520
other

1133
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:02,079
right to allow us to

1134
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:03,520
develop and

1135
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:05,599
maybe not kill ourselves until we can

1136
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:07,280
reach a certain amount of stage where

1137
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,240
they can actually contact us again right

1138
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,720
and that's

1139
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:14,240
that's

1140
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:17,040
what i hope for

1141
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:18,720
but we'll see

1142
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:23,119
i i hope if there are various races or

1143
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,280
intelligence out there that they

1144
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:27,520
want to send us a message a message of

1145
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,680
don't use these but like you said like

1146
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:31,280
there could be one that wants to turn

1147
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,200
them on one that wants to turn them off

1148
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,040
one that wants to see what we do with

1149
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:37,440
them and one that wants to

1150
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:40,240
literally uh

1151
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:43,200
pro not proactively but actively engage

1152
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:45,760
with these weapons somehow so

1153
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:47,440
possibilities are endless man and i

1154
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,359
think it's those questions those

1155
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:51,599
theories um that tell us a lot about

1156
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,920
ourselves you know no matter what if

1157
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:55,280
they want to turn them on or off it's

1158
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:57,760
the fact that a lot of unexplained

1159
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,160
phenomena is happening over these bases

1160
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:02,720
so we should pay attention to that and

1161
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:05,440
wonder why that's happening um on either

1162
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,240
end of the spectrum in my opinion but um

1163
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,400
yeah um i've got one more question for

1164
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,480
you adrian before i move to listener

1165
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:14,640
questions if that's cool yeah

1166
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,640
awesome man um so the air force

1167
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:20,400
elephant in the room haven't been the

1168
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:23,280
most transparent or honest about ufos

1169
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:24,319
they were

1170
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:26,240
essentially the branch of the military

1171
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:27,680
um that

1172
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:30,480
uh quote-unquote covered up the

1173
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:32,480
phenomena from the very beginning if you

1174
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:36,560
consider roswell or kenneth arnold or

1175
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,560
all that stuff in the 40s that happened

1176
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:40,720
they were kind of the first to stamp it

1177
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:41,760
down in

1178
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:44,000
project blue book project grudge project

1179
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:47,119
sign all these air force uh funded in

1180
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:49,040
some ways and also um

1181
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:51,760
run organizations to kind of downplay

1182
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:54,800
the phenomena and explain it away um

1183
00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:57,359
which you know yeah they should try to

1184
00:43:01,829 --> 00:43:00,160
do that um but they don't have the best

1185
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:01,839
track record when it comes to

1186
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:04,880
transparency and honesty um

1187
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:07,359
nor are they today i mean we're living

1188
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:08,560
in a world now where we're getting a

1189
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:11,760
pentagon ufo unit and the most silent on

1190
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,760
all of this seems to have been

1191
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:15,839
the air force so i'd love to get your

1192
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:18,880
thoughts as former usaf on on that why

1193
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:21,440
do you think that is um what role do you

1194
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:23,280
think the air force

1195
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:25,760
uh played then and plays now in this

1196
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:30,160
whole i guess ufo issue

1197
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:33,200
so we'll go back to like

1198
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:34,319
roswell

1199
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,160
right

1200
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:38,319
the air force was originally the one

1201
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:39,520
that kind of

1202
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:40,960
took well it was actually i think the

1203
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:43,280
army air force at that time but the air

1204
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:44,560
force

1205
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:45,520
was

1206
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,400
the initial people there that kind of

1207
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:50,800
ran that operation they kind of

1208
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:54,400
and ever since then they've been in the

1209
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:56,880
foreground of this you know

1210
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,200
um i would say that

1211
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:01,440
they

1212
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:04,880
i'm not

1213
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:07,119
i don't know you know i

1214
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:09,040
i have no access to this i have no idea

1215
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:10,720
but this is just my

1216
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,560
guesstimation you know

1217
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:15,119
but they have to have something you know

1218
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,400
they've

1219
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:18,480
collected something in roswell

1220
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:19,680
they collected

1221
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:20,640
different

1222
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:24,319
crashes you know

1223
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:25,200
um

1224
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:26,560
so they there's got to be some

1225
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:29,040
documentation there whether it's uap

1226
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,960
or weather balloon related i don't know

1227
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:32,240
why they haven't released this

1228
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:33,599
documentation

1229
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:35,200
yeah so

1230
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:38,000
70 years later you have to wonder you

1231
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:39,119
know right

1232
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:40,000
um

1233
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:40,960
and so

1234
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:42,319
you know throughout history the air

1235
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:44,000
force has been kind of seen

1236
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:45,040
as this

1237
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:48,079
this uh organization that is the

1238
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:49,119
forefront

1239
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,160
of uap right well they got project blue

1240
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,640
book oh they got this and they got that

1241
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:56,400
and they're looking at ufos and they're

1242
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:58,640
really not they're just kind of making

1243
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:00,400
it go away

1244
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:03,119
and i think now

1245
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:06,560
they're being kind of

1246
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:08,480
stonewally

1247
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:12,230
they were

1248
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:14,319
they used to be at the forefront now

1249
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:16,079
they're kind of i think they might be

1250
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:18,000
just holding back and waiting to see

1251
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:20,319
what's going on what happens

1252
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,520
right

1253
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:23,520
and then from there

1254
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,359
and i'm i'm talking about the air force

1255
00:45:30,829 --> 00:45:27,599
as an organization

1256
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:30,839
it's it's really difficult to

1257
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,599
characterize the organization and not

1258
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,599
talk about the people you know right

1259
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:37,440
because there's a lot of people in the

1260
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:39,440
in the air force i'm sure that want this

1261
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:42,720
to come out as well you know good point

1262
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:44,240
i'm

1263
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:45,599
probably

1264
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:47,359
pretty sure actually

1265
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:49,280
yeah man i mean we do we do look at

1266
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:50,319
these things

1267
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:52,000
you know the military branches or even

1268
00:45:57,309 --> 00:45:54,319
the government as this like capital g or

1269
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:57,319
like this um you know

1270
00:46:01,829 --> 00:45:59,920
monotheistic thing when in reality it is

1271
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:01,839
it's comprised of thousands of people

1272
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:04,319
with their own individual beliefs and

1273
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:06,880
principles i totally get that um

1274
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:08,800
yeah yeah that's a good point really

1275
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:10,319
it's

1276
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:13,520
uh disclosure is only held back by maybe

1277
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:15,280
a handful of people

1278
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:16,560
maybe

1279
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:19,040
two hands full of people that's it yeah

1280
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:20,000
you know

1281
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:21,599
people high up

1282
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:25,359
um so it's it's i don't want to demonize

1283
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,119
the air force in that

1284
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:29,280
that regard because

1285
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:31,119
they're they're acting within our

1286
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:33,280
country's best interest but i don't

1287
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:34,640
think that

1288
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,800
the people at the top are acting within

1289
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:38,400
our best interest

1290
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,040
if that makes sense absolutely man i get

1291
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:43,520
it i totally get it yeah and i mean uh

1292
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:46,079
the word disclosure um i'll touch on

1293
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:48,640
that briefly with you we are living in

1294
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:50,480
crazy times never in my lifetime did i

1295
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,839
think we would see

1296
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:53,520
the government getting so heavily

1297
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:55,520
involved in this topic again i thought

1298
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:57,599
they were done with it and a lot has

1299
00:47:02,470 --> 00:46:59,440
happened you know since that new york

1300
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:02,480
times article came out since the navy

1301
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,280
tic tac ufos and the things going on on

1302
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,200
the east coast blah blah blah blah um

1303
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:09,599
the conversation has just exploded and

1304
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:12,160
it's more mainstream i think than ever

1305
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:13,920
before so um

1306
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:15,359
do you think

1307
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:17,680
what's going on now with this pentagon

1308
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,680
unit that's being formed we're going to

1309
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:21,119
get like

1310
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:23,200
i think annual reports to the public

1311
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:24,960
about uap a lot of it's going to be

1312
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:28,000
classified obviously but um is this do

1313
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:29,760
you think a good thing for those who

1314
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,599
really want the answers to all of this

1315
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:33,599
or is like you said is this just another

1316
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:35,280
way for them to kind of

1317
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:37,520
control the narrative and

1318
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:39,200
or is this all just an intelligence game

1319
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:41,520
we have to keep in mind russia china and

1320
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:43,839
um and that whole aspect to all of this

1321
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:46,240
too they say it's not them but i don't

1322
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:47,440
personally

1323
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:48,720
believe that

1324
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:50,800
some of it is probably foreign

1325
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,520
technology but yeah that was a big broad

1326
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:55,440
stroke of a question but yeah what do

1327
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:56,720
you think about everything going on

1328
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:58,960
today with the pentagon and is this

1329
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:00,559
disclosure is this just another way to

1330
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:03,040
hide it all

1331
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:05,599
i think it feels legitimate enough that

1332
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:07,280
it will be disclosure

1333
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:08,079
are

1334
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,720
in my opinion the biggest issue like i

1335
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:12,480
said the air force

1336
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:13,520
people

1337
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:15,520
it's not the organization it's not the

1338
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:18,400
office it's the people in the office

1339
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:21,440
so if the person there doesn't want to

1340
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:23,040
do anything or

1341
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:24,319
is

1342
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:26,160
counter uap

1343
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:28,720
it's it's going to be not productive you

1344
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:29,520
know

1345
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:30,960
and that's who

1346
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:32,480
wha that's what we have to be very

1347
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,079
careful about who we put in those

1348
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,480
offices or in those positions you know

1349
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,160
and i'm not saying we have to throw in

1350
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:40,640
the most crazy ufo guy you know

1351
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:42,960
uh we'll go throw andy in the office you

1352
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:44,960
know

1353
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:46,880
if they're hiring dude

1354
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:48,559
man

1355
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:51,040
a little objective sometimes

1356
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:52,960
hopefully that's what they want but yeah

1357
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:56,230
i mean

1358
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:58,319
why not just if if they're looking for

1359
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:59,839
people to throw in that office i'd like

1360
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:01,599
to throw my hat in there too you know

1361
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:04,079
right but

1362
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:05,760
again we just have to be very careful on

1363
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:07,760
who we select and make sure they're not

1364
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:09,760
the mick west's and make sure they're

1365
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:10,720
not

1366
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:12,000
the the

1367
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:14,400
stephen griers you know i knew you were

1368
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:16,400
gonna say that name so

1369
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:18,079
i don't mean to harp on stephen greer

1370
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:20,079
because he

1371
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:22,480
at the very beginning was very crucial

1372
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:23,839
in getting this

1373
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,319
absolutely this conversation started and

1374
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:28,160
i will not take that away from him yeah

1375
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:31,599
we are very we owe a lot to him you know

1376
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:33,359
and

1377
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:34,319
maybe

1378
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:36,400
for all we know he's still telling the

1379
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,319
truth and we're just being a bunch of

1380
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:40,319
idiots you know i'm not trying to

1381
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:42,400
disprove the guy i've said that in the

1382
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:44,240
past too man what if these people are

1383
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,839
right what if these people who have

1384
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:47,280
claimed they've

1385
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,760
flown to venus or

1386
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:51,839
been channeling aliens or whatever

1387
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:54,800
steven grier's talking about the latest

1388
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:56,960
sort of stuff what if they are right i i

1389
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:59,839
i can't say they're not if if we're

1390
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:01,920
seeing shadow people who's to say what

1391
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,040
he's seeing isn't real either no i mean

1392
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:07,680
it's until we have the truth

1393
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:10,079
anything is on the table pretty much

1394
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:13,119
yeah very good point um well i know a

1395
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:15,200
lot of people in the chat are dying to

1396
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:17,040
ask some questions i do have some

1397
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:19,680
questions here guys so if you do want uh

1398
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:21,680
we'll try to get to some of the

1399
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:23,680
questions in the chat here guys um if

1400
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:25,280
you want to help the show the super chat

1401
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:27,200
is open that'll get you bumped to the

1402
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:29,599
top but i do have some already here for

1403
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:32,000
you man so um i can just start firing

1404
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:33,920
off right now if you want if you're good

1405
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:35,520
with that yeah

1406
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:39,119
cool cool um so um ben prime esquire on

1407
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:41,440
twitter asks when pursuing the shadow

1408
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:44,240
intruder uh was its movements and gate

1409
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:46,079
like a human or was there anything about

1410
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:49,440
its movement that seemed strange or like

1411
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:51,599
super

1412
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:55,359
unusual or abnormal yeah

1413
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:56,800
anything like that

1414
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:58,559
well it didn't float

1415
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:01,680
um okay it didn't fly

1416
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:03,760
it was

1417
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:07,760
it's if it's gonna be running it's gonna

1418
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:09,680
be a little bit faster than i am

1419
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:11,119
um so

1420
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:13,680
i did see its

1421
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:16,559
legs moving as it was running so it was

1422
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:19,280
like i would assume still kind of

1423
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,480
gravity

1424
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:22,720
was had some kind of effect on it you

1425
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:23,760
know

1426
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:25,119
um

1427
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:30,470
who knows you know

1428
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:32,559
but if it's if it's literally running

1429
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:34,880
and i can hear barefoots

1430
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:36,960
to me that says that gravity still

1431
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:38,960
affects it a little bit you know

1432
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:41,359
and yeah interesting good point yeah and

1433
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:42,720
i really respect that you're willing to

1434
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:45,839
say i don't know on any of this because

1435
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:48,559
yeah i mean who who's to really say so

1436
00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:51,280
no that's that's a good sign um

1437
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:53,680
so aspiring insight on twitter asks did

1438
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:56,319
you experience any hitchhiker effects

1439
00:52:01,109 --> 00:51:58,720
like reported at skinwalker ranch i mean

1440
00:52:02,790 --> 00:52:01,119
did any of this sort of phenomena follow

1441
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:02,800
your homeman after you left the air

1442
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:04,640
force or

1443
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:06,880
not that i can tell i mean i've

1444
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:13,829
i can't tell if it's bad luck or just

1445
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,119
hitchhiker effect but yeah is from

1446
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:19,599
everything that i've experienced man i i

1447
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:21,200
haven't had that

1448
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:23,839
thing following me like that

1449
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:25,599
no sort of um

1450
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:28,000
after effects or other experiences that

1451
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:29,440
you can think of

1452
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:30,160
no

1453
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:31,280
good

1454
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:36,640
yeah yeah cool um let's see

1455
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:38,720
uh becky on twitter asks

1456
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:41,200
did you discuss your encounters with any

1457
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:44,079
friends or colleagues at the base um and

1458
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:46,720
did any of them have similar experiences

1459
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:49,040
anyone else on base ever share anything

1460
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,680
weird with you while you were there

1461
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:53,280
um

1462
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:54,559
usually whenever you come across

1463
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:56,559
something weird it's it's under the

1464
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:57,839
guise of like

1465
00:53:01,910 --> 00:53:00,240
man i thought i saw a ghost yesterday or

1466
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:01,920
hey uh

1467
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:04,640
it's ghost related because that is a lot

1468
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:07,440
easier for people to kind of digest than

1469
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:09,440
aliens i guess you know

1470
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:10,720
um yeah

1471
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:12,240
but so

1472
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:15,040
a lot of those conversations were under

1473
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:15,920
that

1474
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:18,160
guise of oh well

1475
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:20,960
i thought i heard a ghost yesterday and

1476
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:24,640
or oh i i uh

1477
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:26,960
you know just i felt cold or

1478
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:29,839
just ghost related phenomenon and

1479
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:31,280
it was

1480
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:33,440
okay cool all right

1481
00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:34,960
whatever man

1482
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:37,359
and there were a lot of things that

1483
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:39,760
this sounds really weird i'm just gonna

1484
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:41,200
stick it in the vault and leave it let

1485
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:43,920
it sit there you know

1486
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:46,000
totally i get it i get it this is a good

1487
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:47,680
one right here christopher plane says

1488
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:50,160
who was the first person you told

1489
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:52,000
after uh i guess any of these

1490
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:53,359
experiences

1491
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:00,870
i don't even think i told my wife

1492
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:02,559
i don't even think that's what my wife

1493
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:05,280
i've because so she found out yesterday

1494
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:08,480
with the rest of us right

1495
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:10,640
so this thing has been kind of

1496
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,839
in my vault

1497
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:13,599
i call it my vault because it's it's the

1498
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:14,960
place that i stick things and i don't

1499
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:16,000
want to think about them and they're

1500
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:18,640
gone for it's fair you know

1501
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:21,280
um i pretty much got that from the show

1502
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:22,720
adventure time you know where finn kind

1503
00:54:25,990 --> 00:54:24,160
of just sticks things in the back of his

1504
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:26,000
head and they disappear

1505
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:28,640
um life lessons from adventure time i

1506
00:54:31,380 --> 00:54:29,839
love right

1507
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:31,390
you're a man after my heart

1508
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:33,920
[Laughter]

1509
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:35,440
and uh so

1510
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:37,200
you know i kind of it's been sitting

1511
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:40,000
back there and i never really it gave it

1512
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:41,920
a second thought until

1513
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:44,559
maybe a couple months ago and the first

1514
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:46,319
person i told was

1515
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:47,680
maybe chris

1516
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:51,440
i had actually told

1517
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:53,200
that's awesome man and again i do want

1518
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:56,240
to um uh commend chris on getting this

1519
00:55:00,150 --> 00:54:58,319
out and commend you for

1520
00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:00,160
trusting him with this it was a

1521
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:02,160
wonderful article i did link it at the

1522
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:03,920
top guys but if not go over to

1523
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,559
liberation times and it's probably still

1524
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:08,640
the featured article over there um to

1525
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:11,119
check it out um about everything we're

1526
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:14,640
talking about tonight um my my my dad

1527
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:16,720
actually is in the chat here man he

1528
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:17,680
never

1529
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:19,680
chimes in but he was really interested

1530
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:21,839
to hear your stories tonight so he asks

1531
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:23,520
what did your wife say when you did tell

1532
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:25,760
her about this

1533
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:27,440
um she was like

1534
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:29,599
well she my wife is very supportive of

1535
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:30,960
me and

1536
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:32,079
you know

1537
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:33,680
we we've been kind of

1538
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:36,480
or i i have been kind of

1539
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,200
open about the uap topic for

1540
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,440
you know for a while now and as i'm

1541
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:43,440
telling her this she goes oh that's

1542
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:45,359
that's weird man you know this

1543
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:46,319
that's interesting you should tell

1544
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:47,599
somebody that

1545
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:48,799
you know

1546
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:51,200
and just talk about it and kind of get

1547
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:52,640
out what you got to say about it you

1548
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:53,440
know

1549
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:56,400
and yeah she's been supportive and

1550
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:57,359
i can't

1551
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:59,280
fault her for that you know man that's

1552
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:01,119
all you can ask for i have a very

1553
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:03,440
supportive significant other two who

1554
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:04,799
deals with these

1555
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,040
ufo things that are

1556
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:09,359
basically my second significant other so

1557
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:14,630
i spent a lot of time listening

1558
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:15,440
yeah

1559
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:17,359
yes they do yes they do and they are

1560
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:19,839
very supportive um michael huntington

1561
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:21,280
who's also in the chat right now he

1562
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:23,119
asked over on twitter too

1563
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:25,200
what was the culture at the base like in

1564
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:27,119
regards to the subject we kind of talked

1565
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:29,520
about that but he also mentions that um

1566
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:32,400
the 509th bomb group was connected to

1567
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:34,640
roswell and also with your base as well

1568
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:36,319
did anyone talk about roswell at the

1569
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:38,799
base any um stories ever

1570
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:41,040
go through there that you heard no

1571
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:41,839
no

1572
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:44,880
i which i also i it's something i

1573
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:46,880
brought up to chris sharp as well as i

1574
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:48,880
found it really fascinating when it once

1575
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,040
i got to whiteman i found out that it

1576
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:53,520
was a 509th bomb wing and i was like

1577
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:56,319
that sounds familiar why does the 509

1578
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:59,520
sound familiar and yeah

1579
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:01,200
through my research doing

1580
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:04,319
ufo stuff roswell's obviously

1581
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:06,160
the hallmark you know that's the first

1582
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:07,839
thing you stop at and

1583
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:10,319
hey the 519th bomb wing oh that's where

1584
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:12,559
i know them from you know

1585
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:14,079
and if i had known that i would have

1586
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:15,920
taken more pictures while i was

1587
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:18,880
stationed there yeah dude i get it um

1588
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:20,480
what's your favorite case that's a

1589
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:21,920
personal question of mine do you have a

1590
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:24,079
favorite ufo case

1591
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:27,119
i i don't really have a favorite case

1592
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:28,319
i've

1593
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:29,920
i kind of listened to everything and i

1594
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:31,920
take everything as a whole man like

1595
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:33,280
everything from

1596
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:35,680
ancient aliens all the way to quantum

1597
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:38,240
theory you know

1598
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:39,119
nice

1599
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:41,280
run the gamut i love it hey this is and

1600
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:42,960
this is coming from a guy who's now on

1601
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:45,520
ancient aliens after talking bad about

1602
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:46,799
the show for

1603
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:48,160
almost

1604
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:50,799
god 10 years now they they finally roped

1605
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:53,359
me in so i'm i'm with you i'm kind of

1606
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:55,440
you know everything's on the table until

1607
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:58,319
it's not so i'm open to a lot more than

1608
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:00,799
i used to be to be completely honest i

1609
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:02,960
become skeptical in some ways and more

1610
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:05,280
open to others so that's it's welcome to

1611
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:07,920
ufology it's a good thing to have a

1612
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:09,920
healthy skepticism yeah because

1613
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:11,359
otherwise you're not not going to be

1614
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:12,480
able to rule out

1615
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:15,040
the ass that the fantastical you know

1616
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:18,400
the stuff that's just so out there that

1617
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:20,960
it doesn't make sense you know yep

1618
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:22,960
absolutely thank you to jordan for the

1619
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:24,799
super sticker yeah guys if you want to

1620
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:26,880
um ask adrian a question before we start

1621
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:28,799
wrapping things up here he's been very

1622
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:30,640
gracious with his time um throw him in

1623
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:32,720
the super chat i will try to get to him

1624
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:34,640
um but i'm gonna go right to the next

1625
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:36,720
one here adrian um

1626
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:39,280
jb on twitter asks did you have any

1627
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:42,160
unusual dreams in the days uh leading up

1628
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:43,760
to or after

1629
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:46,000
any of these events do you think dreams

1630
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:49,280
play any role in in this sort of stuff

1631
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:51,040
no that

1632
00:58:55,270 --> 00:58:52,480
dreams are

1633
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:55,280
a different thing for me because

1634
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:58,079
i don't typically remember my dreams or

1635
00:59:02,230 --> 00:59:00,480
have dreams i don't

1636
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:02,240
i don't remember my dreams or like i

1637
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:04,480
said i don't i don't have them so me

1638
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:07,280
either interesting i

1639
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:09,440
i couldn't tell you if i had

1640
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:12,160
weird dreams or not i i just i don't

1641
00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:13,680
remember them so

1642
00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:16,559
yeah yeah okay that's totally fair yeah

1643
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:19,359
because a lot of people do often

1644
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:21,359
relate the two especially when it comes

1645
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:24,079
to like abductions and alien abductions

1646
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:26,240
sleep paralysis dreams

1647
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:28,880
hypnagogic dreams so that's a fair

1648
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:30,319
question but the fact that you don't

1649
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:31,760
remember your dreams that says it right

1650
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:34,240
there my man um and the day you do

1651
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:36,480
it probably means something so yeah

1652
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:38,400
every once in a while i'll remember like

1653
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:40,480
a dream or two or like snippets out of a

1654
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:42,319
dream but that's about it

1655
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:45,119
yeah yeah same it's kind of little tiny

1656
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:46,559
fragments like

1657
00:59:51,510 --> 00:59:49,520
yeah one little film piece of a whole

1658
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:51,520
roll or something i get it

1659
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:55,040
um cool uh chirpsgolden on twitter asks

1660
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:57,680
were there any odors present during the

1661
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:59,520
encounter with the shadow person and

1662
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:01,440
what were your sleeping habits like

1663
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:04,400
following the the days after i mean

1664
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:06,240
could you sleep after this event dude i

1665
01:00:10,630 --> 01:00:08,880
can imagine it was pretty uh weird and i

1666
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:10,640
don't know traumatic dramatic i don't

1667
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:13,119
know um yeah

1668
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:15,760
well i'm an insomniac so

1669
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:17,680
okay i don't sleep very much to begin

1670
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:18,640
with

1671
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:24,950
um so i'd probably say i i

1672
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:27,200
i slept about the same

1673
01:00:30,309 --> 01:00:29,520
if maybe a little less maybe a little

1674
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:30,319
less

1675
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:32,160
it didn't really

1676
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:33,760
bother me because like i said i kind of

1677
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:35,680
just put it out of sight out of mind and

1678
01:00:40,950 --> 01:00:38,559
it just disappeared for me i didn't

1679
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:40,960
i compartmentalized it essentially you

1680
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:43,920
know right put it in the vault i get it

1681
01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:45,359
i totally get it

1682
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,440
um cool well i've got one more twitter

1683
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:49,680
question here for you um if you guys

1684
01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:52,400
want to put a question in do it now um

1685
01:00:57,430 --> 01:00:53,599
we're going to be wrapping things up

1686
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:57,440
here but uh fake jalal on twitter asks

1687
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:00,079
what is your perception of uh

1688
01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:02,720
reality after having these experiences

1689
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:04,480
and have you had any um

1690
01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:06,480
significant changes in your life or

1691
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:09,440
lifestyle after these encounters they're

1692
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:11,599
getting deep

1693
01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:13,760
i wouldn't say i've any had any like

1694
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:15,520
significant changes in my life or

1695
01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:16,960
lifestyle

1696
01:01:19,109 --> 01:01:18,160
um

1697
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:19,119
maybe

1698
01:01:24,630 --> 01:01:22,000
i would say i look up a lot more often

1699
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:24,640
you know i

1700
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:29,670
critically think more often or not more

1701
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:30,960
often but i'm

1702
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:33,359
i've taken a lot more critical thinking

1703
01:01:35,829 --> 01:01:34,400
i

1704
01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:35,839
tend to

1705
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:38,160
rule out more stuff than i i don't you

1706
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:39,359
know

1707
01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:40,880
um

1708
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:42,640
and i just

1709
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:45,040
healthy skepticism is is really what

1710
01:01:51,829 --> 01:01:50,069
came out of this all for me you know

1711
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:51,839
kind of well i've seen this and i've

1712
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:53,520
seen this and i've seen this and you

1713
01:01:57,349 --> 01:01:55,680
know i have this to go off of and i now

1714
01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:57,359
i've seen this and this doesn't make any

1715
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:59,520
sense to me so i'm just gonna throw it

1716
01:02:03,029 --> 01:02:00,400
out or

1717
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:03,039
i gotta figure out how to fit in this

1718
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:04,720
square pig in this round hole somehow

1719
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:07,680
you know right

1720
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:10,240
interesting yeah i you know and i'm a

1721
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:12,079
person of um

1722
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:13,200
the human

1723
01:02:17,589 --> 01:02:15,359
uh aftermath of these sort of things man

1724
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:17,599
like how does it affect your belief

1725
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:20,720
system your relationships um how does it

1726
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,000
change you as a person so i mean i i

1727
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:26,400
think it's good that like in some ways

1728
01:02:30,470 --> 01:02:29,280
you're like okay this has opened up

1729
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:30,480
certain

1730
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:32,720
aspects of what what this all could be

1731
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:34,400
but i also have to be very careful and

1732
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:36,160
not to go too far out you know that

1733
01:02:38,069 --> 01:02:36,960
whole

1734
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:38,079
cliche

1735
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:39,520
you know your brains will fall out if

1736
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:41,440
you're too open-minded sort of things

1737
01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:42,240
right

1738
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:44,240
yeah it's good to keep it kind of

1739
01:02:48,309 --> 01:02:46,319
grounded that's our slogan here keep

1740
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:48,319
your feet on the ground but don't stop

1741
01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:50,720
searching you know so i totally get that

1742
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:52,880
i totally get that um let's see if we

1743
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:54,880
have anything in the chat here before we

1744
01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:56,640
wrap up uh christopher plane says does

1745
01:03:02,710 --> 01:02:58,720
adrian find himself building mashed

1746
01:03:07,349 --> 01:03:05,349
can't say that i have

1747
01:03:09,430 --> 01:03:07,359
not not happened and no close encounters

1748
01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:09,440
are the third kind no can't say that i

1749
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:10,720
have

1750
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:13,359
i wish that would be amazing

1751
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:16,480
please take me i'm ready to go take them

1752
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:18,880
to uh what is it superstition mountain

1753
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:20,240
is that yeah

1754
01:03:23,589 --> 01:03:21,440
yeah yeah

1755
01:03:25,829 --> 01:03:23,599
fair enough i mean you know any uap is

1756
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:25,839
out there man if if y'all uaps are

1757
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:27,440
listening i'm ready to go

1758
01:03:31,109 --> 01:03:29,440
i got my backpack

1759
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:31,119
he's ready he's ready for another

1760
01:03:34,549 --> 01:03:32,640
experience um

1761
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:34,559
i guess kind of my last question for you

1762
01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:36,079
adrian um

1763
01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:39,039
why'd you come forward what really

1764
01:03:41,990 --> 01:03:40,640
compelled you i know you said you you

1765
01:03:45,270 --> 01:03:42,000
know you listen to andy's show and

1766
01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:45,280
whatnot but was there any like really

1767
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:47,440
deep conviction as to why you wanted to

1768
01:03:51,190 --> 01:03:49,520
share these why you were willing to

1769
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:51,200
come out and say this because look no

1770
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:53,359
matter how mainstream ufos become or

1771
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:55,760
whatever or the paranormal there are

1772
01:04:00,390 --> 01:03:57,599
going to be people who scoff at it or

1773
01:04:02,150 --> 01:04:00,400
think oh he imagined this or he was he

1774
01:04:03,910 --> 01:04:02,160
was definitely high that night at work

1775
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:03,920
or you know that that's always going to

1776
01:04:08,710 --> 01:04:07,200
be there but what really compelled you i

1777
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:08,720
guess deep down

1778
01:04:13,109 --> 01:04:11,440
to share these stories with us

1779
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:13,119
essentially man like

1780
01:04:17,910 --> 01:04:15,599
there's no reporting mechanism for

1781
01:04:20,390 --> 01:04:17,920
anybody right and

1782
01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:20,400
they want more transparency in the uap

1783
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:22,799
topic right especially with this new

1784
01:04:26,470 --> 01:04:24,960
office that has come to light

1785
01:04:28,150 --> 01:04:26,480
and you know

1786
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:28,160
all these people that have had prefix

1787
01:04:32,309 --> 01:04:30,000
experiences there's not been anything

1788
01:04:33,430 --> 01:04:32,319
for them to come out or a way for them

1789
01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:33,440
to come out or maybe even feel

1790
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:36,000
comfortable to come out and say anything

1791
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:38,160
and it it's

1792
01:04:43,029 --> 01:04:40,480
through me doing this that i i'm hoping

1793
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:43,039
that i make a wide enough

1794
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:44,720
uh

1795
01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:49,280
path for them to kind of follow through

1796
01:04:58,870 --> 01:04:50,559
or

1797
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:58,880
out what they have to say you know yeah

1798
01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:01,200
and ultimately man it's it's about the

1799
01:05:04,470 --> 01:05:02,640
people

1800
01:05:06,549 --> 01:05:04,480
there's i'm sure

1801
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:06,559
people that have had experiences similar

1802
01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:08,400
to mine that

1803
01:05:10,710 --> 01:05:09,760
don't feel comfortable coming out and

1804
01:05:14,309 --> 01:05:10,720
saying this

1805
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:14,319
or don't feel comfortable you know

1806
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:15,359
just

1807
01:05:18,380 --> 01:05:16,880
telling other people what they've saw

1808
01:05:19,990 --> 01:05:18,390
seen you know

1809
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:20,000
[Music]

1810
01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:22,480
and again like top secret clearance and

1811
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:25,119
prp it's it's a big thing and

1812
01:05:29,029 --> 01:05:26,720
if they're going to end up losing their

1813
01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:29,039
prp or toxic see top secret clearance

1814
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:32,160
over this why why say anything so

1815
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:36,559
maybe they really need to just start

1816
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:39,280
allowing them to say something you know

1817
01:05:42,069 --> 01:05:40,319
um

1818
01:05:44,789 --> 01:05:42,079
i'm i'm all for

1819
01:05:47,750 --> 01:05:44,799
uip transparency i

1820
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:47,760
what was it um

1821
01:05:51,349 --> 01:05:49,440
uh

1822
01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:51,359
what would they have

1823
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:52,640
uh

1824
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:55,920
amnesty uap amnesty is is something that

1825
01:05:59,829 --> 01:05:57,359
i would like to

1826
01:06:02,309 --> 01:05:59,839
hashtag you know i've seen it before

1827
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:02,319
hashtag uap msc

1828
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:04,720
and because people they need we need the

1829
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:06,720
truth honestly is essentially what i'm

1830
01:06:10,470 --> 01:06:08,400
trying to get at is i would just like

1831
01:06:11,910 --> 01:06:10,480
the truth and i think

1832
01:06:13,349 --> 01:06:11,920
we deserve it

1833
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:13,359
at this point

1834
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:14,960
awesome do you think we'll ever get

1835
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:16,960
there at least in

1836
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:18,880
we were born in the same year so in our

1837
01:06:23,829 --> 01:06:21,440
lifetime i think we'll get there

1838
01:06:25,589 --> 01:06:23,839
i'm i'm hoping so i mean

1839
01:06:28,309 --> 01:06:25,599
things have certainly picked up pace

1840
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:28,319
within the last even the last year you

1841
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:29,680
know yeah

1842
01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:33,119
it's it's been a breakneck speed so

1843
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:34,000
i'm

1844
01:06:39,750 --> 01:06:38,079
five to ten years probably we'll see

1845
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:39,760
something

1846
01:06:45,270 --> 01:06:42,240
i love that i love the optimism for sure

1847
01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:45,280
man um well i mean obviously thank you

1848
01:06:49,029 --> 01:06:46,400
for your service

1849
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:49,039
to our country um but thank you also for

1850
01:06:53,029 --> 01:06:50,960
being willing to talk about this because

1851
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:53,039
i do think you're going to compel others

1852
01:06:56,789 --> 01:06:54,559
and empower others to come forward not

1853
01:06:59,430 --> 01:06:56,799
just military but um in the civilian

1854
01:07:02,549 --> 01:06:59,440
world as well i can't tell you after you

1855
01:07:04,150 --> 01:07:02,559
know i i came out with my book in 2020

1856
01:07:07,190 --> 01:07:04,160
where i interviewed the chief radar

1857
01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:07,200
operator of the tic tac event and this

1858
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:08,400
affected him

1859
01:07:14,309 --> 01:07:11,200
so greatly and keeping it down hidden in

1860
01:07:17,349 --> 01:07:14,319
that vault like you said for so long it

1861
01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:17,359
almost ruined his life so when he saw

1862
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:19,520
you know commander fravor on television

1863
01:07:26,549 --> 01:07:22,319
talking about it it was like 20 years

1864
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:26,559
just like off his shoulders man um and i

1865
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:28,319
can't tell you after that chapter and my

1866
01:07:31,990 --> 01:07:30,400
book came out after all these reports

1867
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:32,000
came out and everything how many

1868
01:07:36,789 --> 01:07:33,920
military people came to people like me

1869
01:07:39,270 --> 01:07:36,799
and andy and and journalists and

1870
01:07:41,589 --> 01:07:39,280
and and everyone in between and said

1871
01:07:44,150 --> 01:07:41,599
finally like i can talk about this

1872
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:44,160
without you know there's a stigma

1873
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:45,119
for me

1874
01:07:50,950 --> 01:07:48,240
yeah so i mean it's people like you who

1875
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:50,960
are willing to to do that that um we

1876
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:52,559
really appreciate in the ufo world

1877
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:55,119
because you do lend a certain

1878
01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:57,839
credibility and legitimacy um

1879
01:08:01,750 --> 01:07:59,839
maybe more than a civilian i don't

1880
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:01,760
really like having that debate of

1881
01:08:06,789 --> 01:08:04,079
trained observers and you know the

1882
01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:06,799
barista at the coffee shop but um

1883
01:08:09,430 --> 01:08:08,240
the more people who come forward and

1884
01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:09,440
talk about this the more we can

1885
01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:11,680
normalize it for everyone so um yeah

1886
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:12,880
first and foremost i want to thank you

1887
01:08:16,630 --> 01:08:14,720
for that

1888
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:16,640
yeah nope no problem

1889
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:18,880
awesome man pleasure man

1890
01:08:23,669 --> 01:08:21,359
awesome uh let's see uh if we have

1891
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:23,679
anything left in the chat here before we

1892
01:08:27,669 --> 01:08:26,000
say goodnight to you man um

1893
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:27,679
everyone's just loving it that's what i

1894
01:08:32,149 --> 01:08:29,920
like to hear we didn't piss anyone off

1895
01:08:33,669 --> 01:08:32,159
or anything like that um

1896
01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:33,679
i don't see how that could happen man

1897
01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:35,920
you've been so open with us um are you

1898
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:38,000
willing to share uh where we can reach

1899
01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:40,319
you is we got your twitter handle sure

1900
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:42,159
here but um if anyone wants to reach out

1901
01:08:45,110 --> 01:08:43,359
to you

1902
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:45,120
um

1903
01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:47,040
is this the best place yeah twitter's

1904
01:08:50,470 --> 01:08:48,400
probably the best place to reach me out

1905
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:50,480
to me with uap stuff because that's

1906
01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:53,199
where i spend most of my time doing uap

1907
01:08:55,349 --> 01:08:54,239
stuff

1908
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:55,359
nice

1909
01:08:59,590 --> 01:08:57,679
awesome um awesome michael says thank

1910
01:09:01,910 --> 01:08:59,600
you guys christopher says thank you for

1911
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:01,920
sharing oh this is fascinating dude i

1912
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:03,440
really appreciate you taking the time to

1913
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:06,239
do it um i know you're gonna be on the

1914
01:09:10,950 --> 01:09:08,640
unidentified celebrity review next week

1915
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:10,960
with luis jimenez um

1916
01:09:14,789 --> 01:09:13,040
i can't wait to tune into that hopefully

1917
01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:14,799
this was you know kind of the

1918
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:18,080
introduction um for what's gonna be

1919
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:20,480
unraveled over there next week so once

1920
01:09:25,189 --> 01:09:22,400
again man i'll say goodnight to you

1921
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:25,199
before i um do my little talk shop thing

1922
01:09:30,309 --> 01:09:28,000
here debrief um so thank you thank you

1923
01:09:32,709 --> 01:09:30,319
for for coming forward thank you for

1924
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:32,719
working with chris and um yeah have a

1925
01:09:37,269 --> 01:09:34,960
great night thanks man

1926
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:37,279
awesome take care adrian you too all

1927
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:44,309
awesome guys that was so much fun um i

1928
01:09:49,829 --> 01:09:46,000
i can't believe within the span of like

1929
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:49,839
48 hours i met adrian here um digitally

1930
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:52,239
and he just uh he seems like a really

1931
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:55,360
cool guy very genuine in his experiences

1932
01:09:59,030 --> 01:09:57,520
and and what happened to him and again

1933
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:59,040
like that's what we need in this field

1934
01:10:03,669 --> 01:10:01,440
there's more people to talk about it

1935
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:03,679
make it normal and um

1936
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:05,280
the floodgates just opened wide there

1937
01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:07,360
will be too many people who've had

1938
01:10:12,070 --> 01:10:10,080
experiences to deny these phenomena

1939
01:10:14,229 --> 01:10:12,080
exist and we're

1940
01:10:17,270 --> 01:10:14,239
baby steps we're making it you know the

1941
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:17,280
us government says ufos exist they are

1942
01:10:21,270 --> 01:10:19,360
real they are a legitimate phenomenon

1943
01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:21,280
that's huge now the question is what are

1944
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:23,199
they where do they come from what do

1945
01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:25,360
they want and there's probably a million

1946
01:10:29,189 --> 01:10:27,520
questions to ask after that as well

1947
01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:29,199
warlock thank you so much for the super

1948
01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:30,800
chat i appreciate thank you to everyone

1949
01:10:34,709 --> 01:10:32,719
in the chat tonight um for asking

1950
01:10:36,790 --> 01:10:34,719
questions for your donations i really

1951
01:10:37,590 --> 01:10:36,800
appreciate it adrian's in the chat as

1952
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:37,600
well

1953
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:39,280
um it was a pleasure if i didn't get

1954
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:40,960
your questions feel free to post them to

1955
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:42,960
me on twitter that's awesome guys reach

1956
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:46,080
out to him there and um i will once

1957
01:10:51,669 --> 01:10:48,320
again i will share his twitter handle in

1958
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the show notes and um other than that uh

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father thank you for joining me tonight

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at some point to talk about what it's

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